Gary, the reason why I take it lightly is that this organization never really harmed me. My wife and I talked frankly about the situation, she's miles away from dogmatism. I will be glad to take her to the hall by car and collect her, unless she prefers to go by herself and chat with her friends. We take it cool because we have always kept nosy elders and JWs at arm length. However, I understand very well that other JWs get out with a lot of bitterness, due to having had their education chances chattered by JW fanatism, or young sisters having been kept in forced celibacy, etc. I'm glad I kept my children out, just hope they won't misbehave. Not two personal situations are alike, pas vrai Narkissos ?
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So, it happened. Packed my things and left
by aligot ripounsous insome may remember, i wrote on an other thread that elders forbade me to give comments at the wt meeting, as i weaken the brothers' faith.
i wasn't satisfied with this outcome and, 10 days ago i sat with my wife on the front part of the kh (like in many khs, attendants pack on the back seats), in the middle of the row, right in front of the wt elder, and raised my hand insistently.
i was of course openly ignored but i didn't care, all that i wanted was verybody to see how they deal with independent members.
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Andersonsinfo question: Who wrote them?
by TheOldHippie insince you have taken so much time in answering questions and commenting, i ask one more question:.
could you elaborate on who wrote certain books and brochures etc.?
i know you have written about articles you have contributed to, and also that coc lists the authors of some of the books, but do you remember at least some authors of some books / brochures / special articles?.
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Most sincere condolences to HillaryStep for the loss of his wife.
Bonsoir Narkissos, so you knew Bro. Leonard ? He looked like a decent man, quite british in his manners. I remember one of his talks at Colombes, about Micah 2:12. He must be dead by now I suppose.
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So, it happened. Packed my things and left
by aligot ripounsous insome may remember, i wrote on an other thread that elders forbade me to give comments at the wt meeting, as i weaken the brothers' faith.
i wasn't satisfied with this outcome and, 10 days ago i sat with my wife on the front part of the kh (like in many khs, attendants pack on the back seats), in the middle of the row, right in front of the wt elder, and raised my hand insistently.
i was of course openly ignored but i didn't care, all that i wanted was verybody to see how they deal with independent members.
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Such behaviours on the part of Elders are not only questionable, very callous
I wonder how much they realized that I controlled the whole thing, they played right into my hands with their ignoring me at the WT meeting, etc.
In fact I don't intend to DA, I even told them that I don't want to be DFed because I want to retain the right to say hello and have a chat with the JWs I come across in the street. Mind, that answer might be enough to be DFed, LOL.
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So, it happened. Packed my things and left
by aligot ripounsous insome may remember, i wrote on an other thread that elders forbade me to give comments at the wt meeting, as i weaken the brothers' faith.
i wasn't satisfied with this outcome and, 10 days ago i sat with my wife on the front part of the kh (like in many khs, attendants pack on the back seats), in the middle of the row, right in front of the wt elder, and raised my hand insistently.
i was of course openly ignored but i didn't care, all that i wanted was verybody to see how they deal with independent members.
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Some may remember, I wrote on an other thread that elders forbade me to give comments at the WT meeting, as I weaken the brothers' faith. I wasn't satisfied with this outcome and, 10 days ago I sat with my wife on the front part of the KH (like in many KHs, attendants pack on the back seats), in the middle of the row, right in front of the WT elder, and raised my hand insistently. I was of course openly ignored but I didn't care, all that I wanted was verybody to see how they deal with independent members. After the meeting, I asked an elder what he believed a visitor would think, seeing a brother evidently ignored. It seems he had never viewed the matter that way, looked troubled and said that he would mention my remark to other elders.
Last sunday, my wife and I sat at the same place but, after the public talk and during the song, an elder took me outside, the whole assembly watching. He asked me not to raise my hand because I couldn't comment, being too negative and a nuisance to many. I replied that I just intend to be lucid and rational and that my comments are not better, but not worse, than anyone else's. He insisted that I shouldn't comment. I said OK, walked briskly to my seat as the attendants were just seated back and I packed my things conspicuously, told my wife that I was awaiting outside, and walked out ; the hall was dead silent. Quite theatrical, I agree, but i wanted to make it clear to the most thinking JWs of the congregation why I was leaving, and hopefully give them matter to ponder on. My wife understands that it was my last meeting but she doesn't mind, she even said that I had sought for such an opportunity for a long time and I looked relieved. A page is turned over.
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Why People Hate Jehovah's Witnesses
by jamiebowers ini found this video on youtube and was hoping all of the aposta friends on this site would help to educate this poor fella on the truth about the "truth".
i gave a brief comment and hope to hear from you guys as well!.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ev4l99whx58.
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Isn't it rather that JWs say they are hated because they love to be hated, it gives them consistency. Rutherford had understood that marketing rule long ago.
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How BIG a DEAL is no more Saturday working for Bethelites?
by BonaFide inthe first thread is more focused on why the change?, which has some great posts.. but i want to see what you all say about the outcome of this announcement.. for those of us that have served in bethel we can tell you, an announcement like this is big news.
even small announcements at morning worship are whispered and talked about for weeks in rooms, at work assignments, and in the car on the way to the meetings.
analyze and re-analyze.. this is a big announcement.
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Having read NewBoy's report of bethelites' lifes and how they are desperate for any opportunity to get a few $ and make ends meet, I venture that the WTS is well aware of it and, for its own interest, is encouraging them, without saying, to find a part time job in order :
- that they may not be considered by legal authorities as employed (exploited) workers by the WTS but actual volunteers who otherwise earn their keep,
- to let them have a smooth landing in real world, for those who will be laid off in the future. In this way, the society won't have to pay them unemployment allowances, in case some of them fancy to claim those before the courts.
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A LOOK INSIDE BETHEL LIFE, THE ORGANIZATION BEHIND THE NAME
by Bethelite Elder inwhen i first came to bethel, the going reassurance was that if you stayed more than 5 years, you would be considered permanent.
many of the bethelites bought into the idea and stayed many years.
however, a few years back they had a test of faith.
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Bethelite Elder,
I'm curious to read more about your alleged experience as a bethel elder because, so far what we read from you is just about what we, or yourself, already knew from JWN. I mean When I read NewBoy report of his bethel past life, it had the ring of REAL insider experience. I bet a former bethelite ELDER must be able to deliver very exclusive news about bethel life, high ranking people in the organization, etc. We are waiting.
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a Friend wrote this.You ALL know him
by mouthy inlosing your religion?.
if your belief in a church is lost.
then you shouldn't have to count the cost.
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Wasn't DeadPoet his username ? I understand now.
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How would you respond if a Witness tells you that you are "negative?"
by BonaFide inwhen i bring a subject up and then talk about old wt's or the blood fraction, i occasionally get that response.. yes, i know i can reply, "but i am telling you the truth.
don't you want the truth?".
but i am looking for something more subtle, something that can help a witness to get beyond their cognitive dissonance.. but without a standoff.
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About 3 months ago I was paid a sheperding visit by 2 elders and I was trying to explain to them that one has to keep a rational approach to any teaching, to "make sure of all things". One week later the congregation was required to mark this brother who expresses such negative comments and weakens the faith of others.
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I remember a brother who owned and ran a cleaning business and he went broke just because the JWs he would employ had plenty of other things, claimed as theocratic or not, to do during their working time and, of course, thought that a brother would not object to their doing so : drop a magazine on a route but also go to the post office, to the bank, etc.